31 August, 2006

Dalai Lama, Buddhism and Homosexuality

"It's part of what we Buddhists call 'bad sexual conduct.' Sexual organs were created for reproduction between the male element and the female element and everything that deviates from that is not acceptable from a Buddhist point of view. Between a man an [another]man, a woman and another woman, in the mouth, the anus, or even using a hand." (the DL mimes masturbation)...
(June 1997, San Francisco ~ Dalai Lama)

Also mentioned this only applied to Buddhists. This didn't make any sense to me. It didn't sound Correct. I can question any Buddhist teaching no matter who said it(1) so I decide to exercise that right.

Sexual organs were created for reproduction

I can't agree. Human sexual organs are created for sex & pleaser more than reproduction. Humans anatomy & humans approach to sex very much deferent than other primates. Example: Human female is the only female does not display ovulating period, but sexually capable most of her life ~ even after her lose the reproduction capability. Human female is the only female primate capable of sexual orgasm. Not only that, some woman are may even reach orgasm as a result of stimulation of her breasts, ears and other body parts (Kinsey Research) (more info: The Naked Woman, The Naked Ape)

Non sexual relationship between same sex is very much welcome in almost every religion including Buddhism. But the issue starts when sex involved. Sex is always hot topic for everyone ~ even to religious leaders. 

In Buddhism any kind of sexual relationship or activity totally prohibit for monks - only for the monks. There is no question about it.

There are no rules for laypeople in Buddhism. There are guidelines, not rules. When Dalai Lama refer to 'bad sexual conduct' he refer to the third precept of 5 precepts of Buddhism. That is : 'not to engage in wrong way for sexual pleasure'. Buddha never mention anything about homosexuality for laypeople or any other none-traditional sexual orientations ~ he discuss about the sexuality as one entity. Even though Buddha explains about bad side of worldly pleasers, he did not deny any worldly pleasers to laypeople. Matter of fact he even explain how to enjoy worldly pleasers with mindfulness. Also reproduction is not compulsory in Buddhism. Not only that.. even marriage is not compulsory in Buddhism. (but culture naturally override those)

What is the wrong way for sexual pleaser really?
I remember the monk who teach Buddhism in the school had very difficult time trying to (not) explain that. I have kind of similar problem now when trying to explain that, because there are no clear definition about 'wrong way' in here. Is that cheating, rapeing, child molestation? Or is that none-traditional sexual activity? Is that engaging in sexual activity just for pleaser, not for reproduction? Is that sexual thoughts? Is that homosexuality? Or is that altogether? What is right and what is wrong?

I'm not really helpless here. Buddha explain three main guidelines to judge an action right or wrong. So I'm going to put this into those three tests and see how it will come out.

  1. How do I feel if that action done toward me.
    It does not matter man or woman, if some one forcefully have sexual activity, then that is sexual violation I do not like - that is wrong.
    But in the other hand, if I happened to be homosexual & also if I had a relationship with other adult homosexual, then it will become a partnership both people get benefited form. I have seen couple of homosexual couples enjoying good life. They too have big problems like Petrol price or global-warming, and all other human problems.
    I can't separate heterosexuality and homosexuality using this test. They both look the same here.
    But I can filter adultery, rape, and all other sexual violation as the wrong way from this test.
     
  2. The deed which causes remorse afterwards and results in weeping and tears is ill-done. The deed which causes no remorse afterwards and results in joy and happiness is well-done.
    Well. I have to agree with Bob Marley in here. No woman ~ No Cry.
    I have seen more heterosexual people cry for heterosexual relationship more than homosexual people. Looks like it do not matter type of the relationship, if I do something make me regret afterward, then it is wrong.
    I can't separate heterosexuality and homosexuality using this test. They both look the same here anyway.
     
  3. Whether the action is helpful to goal of Nirvana
    In Buddhism, the final goal is to obtain the ultimate happiness - Nirvana. Work toward that, Buddhists have to do good deeds. If the action base on generosity, love and compassion then it is an action toward Nirvana. If a person maintain a clear mind, even he is heterosexual or homosexual he is working toward the nirvana. If a person maintain a quality relationship no matter who is the partner is, then that person working toward Nirvana.
    This test does not help me to separate heterosexuality from homosexuality. Bad relationship is bad relationship, no matter who the partner is. 

In that case I have to decide Dalai Lama's quote is not the Buddhist point of view as he clam

In Buddhism homosexual Buddhist and heterosexual Buddhist both are equal humans. None superior to other. Homosexual relationship and heterosexual relationship both are similar and both have similar consequences.

By the way This is not unconditional - just like everything else in the world. If one act openly gay where homosexuality is not tolerated, then results may be weeping and tears even it is right thing or wrong thing. Buddha have mention try not to involve in actions does not tolerated by the society or declared as illegal, even they are 'good' actions. So in that case Gay Pride parade is not a good idea in Sri Lanka.

Bottom line is, Just like Dalai Lama said 'He is just a monk - nothing more - nothing less'. But after all, he is most famous Buddhist in the world. In that case I like him help everyone to have a better relationship with love and generosity no matter who's the partner happened to be.

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8 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting to say the least, dude. The relationship between sexuality and religion in most cases is defined by opportunists. So I’ve heard plenty of versions in my life time. However if you think back the clearest meaning might be when you first studied Pan Sil in maybe kindergarten. What was told then was that you should not wish for nor use any sexual pleasure that does not rightly belong to you. Your sexual orientation does not matter, as long as you are in a committed relationship. Anal, oral, virginal again doesn’t matter.

Sad part is that according to this definition wanking is wrong as you always wish for something you don’t have.

August 31, 2006 11:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent post! I agree with you the Dalai Lama is not quite so right on the issue. Consider that he comes from a very TRADITIONAL background. Sexual misconduct is anything that brings harm to yourself, others, or both. And many homosexual relationships seem to be better than heterosexual ones when it comes to a loving and caring environment. There are plenty of resources regarding Buddhism and Homosexuality on the net. Check them out through google.

Unlike Semitic religions BUDDHISM DOES NOT CONDEMN OR PROHIBIT HOMOSEXUALITY.

August 31, 2006 2:14 PM  
Blogger aljuhara said...

your thread is very interesting. Ive noticed that lots of people who dont or cant get laid are often against it (dont want other people to have some happiness)
Buddha bascially was not against happiness as long as 1) we dont get hopelessly attatched to it and thus prolong our stay in samsara and 2)we dont harm anyone.
as for homosexuality I always maintain that its a LOGICAL result if you beleive in reincarnation.
for example Im a woman and Im very much in love with my guy - if I were to die and reincarnate as a man, I would still love him the same way- what you call "sansarica purudda" or the inherent nature of a being.
but its amazine how prudish some "buddhists" can be and this quote by the DL really amazes me.
the Buddha would never have said such a thing!

September 01, 2006 10:22 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

^ agree with aljuhara. You can explain transvestites, females who feel trapped in a male body, males who feel trapped in a female body etc this way. For example, someone was a female in a previous life and upon death and rebirth as a male, the past feelings or as aljuhara says "purudda" is passed on (like our instant likes and dislikes) and he finds out he has feelings for males (homosexuality). IMO we need to separate CULTURAL BUDDHISM from the Dhamma. We need to realise that during sansara we have probably been born countless times as males in one life and then females in an another. And as heterosexual in one life and as homosexual in another. As Buddhists we need to be more open minded.

September 01, 2006 9:38 PM  
Blogger Sam said...

Thanks aljuhara. Until you mention that, I really didn’t think it that way. Very good explanation. Yes. Sure.. we bring skills and habits form past lives.

September 01, 2006 11:29 PM  
Blogger Manshark said...

Sam: Great post!

And I agree with what you've said -to a great extent Buddhism embodies a lot that the world now says about human rights. You have the right to do what you think is right as long as it doesn't violate the right of another.

The correct sexual behaviour is not something that gives pleasure to only yourself but is something that is welcome to the other party - hence as you've said, DL is wrong here in interpreting homosexuality and anything else outside of the heterosexual r'ship as wrong in Buddhism.

al juhara: What an enlightening comment! I'd never thought of it like this..so much food for thought!

September 05, 2006 2:13 PM  
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